What brought you to CalArts?
I was studying at the Atlanta Ballet and my teacher was Carl Radclift who was a partner of Bella Lewitsky in Lester Horton’s Company, he also danced with Jack Cole. Bella was doing a workshop and this was in 1970 I believe at Florida State with her company who’s members were Gary Bates, Fred Strickler, Rebecca Bobile, Leslie Brown, Sean Greene, Iris Pell they were all there. The workshop was three weeks long and I just really sparked with Bella. And Bella sparked with me and she invited me to CalArts, which was the first year it moved to Valencia. But my father said NO! you are not going to that fly by night school that just opened, forget it! So I stay at the Atlanta Ballet and in the spring my father said: you really need to go to school! So I go to the University of Utah for one quarter, and I did not like being there because there was not enough dancing.
Then I meet Bella again at Eastern Michigan University doing another workshop with the full company and again she invited me to come to CalArts and writes a letter to my parents telling them of my talent and so they relinquished and allowed me to go to CalArts.
So in the fall of 1972, I arrive at CalArts with Donald McKayle on faculty, Bella Lewitsky and the entire company is there in residence, Mia Slavenska was teaching ballet and Bella invited me to be an apprentice with the company. I am in school from 9 to 6 everyday taking ballet, modern, improvisation, composition, rehearsing and being other student works and then I rehearse with the company from 6 until 10 at night. So one of the first things that happens is Bella is going out on the road. As part of their work in the Institute, the faculty was required to produce work as working artist. They still had to show work, write, compose, make films all that! So Bella goes out on the road and she leaves me at CalArts. So I continue at CalArts and I meet Susan Rose and a lot of the graduate students that were working at that time. And I start dancing with them and I am really enjoying being a part of the School of Dance and the Institute as a whole. At that time there were only 600 students in the Institute and you were able to attend other classes in the Institute. One class I took was an art class taught by Mimi Shapiro and John Baldesarri is in the class. This is the time when the feminist movement is starting to take hold with Tina Metsker teaching classes, and a big influx of women like Judy Chicago, Yvonne Rainer, and Simone Forte coming to campus. At the time there was a lot of support by the government for arts education and artist and a lot of traveling artist were coming through LA and CalArts. It was a time when the faculty were not the only teachers, the Institute brought in artist like Manuel Lume, and these artist would not only speak or teach but set repertory as well. This happened every semester, which you could audition for and get cast in. There was also a lot of Interdisciplinary work going on at the Institute. I remember my first year at CalArts I choreographed a play, and so you were always mixing many, many disciplines at that point.
So in my second year Bella took me on her next tour and I was away a whole semester working with the Lewitsky Company. We traveled through Europe performing but we were doing almost the same thing that was happening in the program at CalArts. Because she was the one that was instrumental in developing the program of dance, touring with the company was an extension of the program.
We would always have technique class, improvisation (there was a lot of lecture demonstrations on that tour, so improvisation was a big part of the lecture demonstration), so improvisation at CalArts was Bella’s style, which became the syllabus of the course. Also we were made to learn other aspects of touring such as lighting, costumes, management; in other words you learned what is was like to run your own company which I think goes back to what Lester Horton taught his dancers in his company. These aspects were a big part of the curriculum of the dance program at CalArts, even stage-manage. So as a member of Bella’s company, we were required to learn all of these elements when we were on the road. And in those days we would drive everywhere; we never flew. We would get the same training as if we were in school but with a smaller group of dancers. But we were only doing Bella’s repertory. We did not get to work with other students who were developing their own choreography or had the opportunity to work with artist-in-residence.
There was a great group of artist in the company but when we returned to campus I told Bella that I wanted to stay in school to have what I felt would be a richer experience for me and being only 19 years old I felt that I needed that experience to a complete dancer.
CalArts changed my life, it opened up a world not just for dance but a world of art and art making. I received a great appreciation and understanding of visual art, music and the beginning of understanding film making, which is now my career.
CalArts at that time was such a wealth of teachers, and it really came down to who was teaching in the Institute that gravitated me to the program. It was very engaging and prolific and you felt like you were challenged every step of the way.
I also met my husband there, so it couldn’t have been better!
During that time was extremely fertile ground for artist like John Baldesarri, Judy Chicago who are now leaders in the art world. So after graduation were you drawn to New York or where did your path lead you?
Well I graduated in three years since I had already had a semester at the University of Utah and I worked with Bella on tour and I had fulfilled all my requirements of choreography, etc; which at that point I was less interested in and more interested in being a dancer.
So for me the training at CalArts was prominent and it enabled me to be the dancer that I wanted to be. It gave me a solid foundation especially in modern dance and the Horton technique in particular. So after graduation my future husband and I moved to Venice, Ca and I connected with a group of dancers (some of which were former Lewitsky dancers) Fred Strickler, Gary Bates and with dancers coming out of UCLA, Melony Snider, Cathy Copper and we form an eclectic. I was only 22 years old at the time and the rest of them were much older and had much more experience especially in choreography. However, I did teach dance and composition in private high schools based on my training at CalArts. When I wasn’t teaching I was working with this eclectic and we worked in a church in downtown LA creating work, rehearsing and teaching and we had some touring at that time.
You know life was a lot cheaper at that time and I think we were paying $150.00 a month rent in Venice for an apartment and we used public transportation to get around. Life was not that expensive and your wages were a lot less. We did not get paid to dance but we wanted to stay in the field and you did whatever you needed to do to stay in your field. My feeling was (and still is) that if you move outside your field you would most likely drift from your profession. So whatever it took, giving workshops, teaching, you did it to stay in the profession.
Then in 1975, I saw the program Dance in America and Twyla Tharp’s work “Sue’s Leg” was on and I knew at that moment that I wanted to dance for her. So in 1979 with the help of Lynn Daly and Fred Strickler, who knew dancers that had worked with Twyla, arrange for Twyla to see me in class with our company and she said that I did fine but she was auditioning more dancers. So I go to San Francisco to watch the company at Zellerbach Hall perform. Twyla was auditioning a girl from San Francisco Ballet and so I took that audition, which lasted for three hours (I was young, 26 at the time and had nothing to loose) but really wanted to dance for Twyla.
After the audition I returned to LA and three weeks later I receive a call from the company and was told they wanted to bring me to New York with no string attached and no guarantee. They wanted to see me work with the company along with seven other female dancers for a week. And then they will see if I am right for the company. So I go to New York and by the end of the week, Twyla invited me to join the company. I moved to New York and danced with Twyla for the next eight years, 52 weeks a year. We did a lot of traveling and she made a ton of dances during that time with a company of only 12 dancers.
The company she started in 1963 was pretty much still intact along with some new dancers like William Whitener, Chris Icheta and Richard Colton and this company stayed together until 1985 when she choreographs “Singin’ in the Rain” on Broadway. We all were a part of the production and we had to sing and tap as part of the production.
Then life changes and I dance with Martha Clarke. However, I do go back to Twyla periodically but I work with Martha Clarke as Assistant Director and as a performer for five years. Then I begin to transition out of dancing and begin to choreograph, and in 1988 I work on my first film as a choreographer. I am still working in the downtown avant-garde scene with David Gordon and I become his assistant director when he is making the transition from dance to theater or a combination of both.
Then in 1992, I leave New York and I am pretty much finished with my dancing career as a performer.
I then move into choreographing for film and television in 1994 and that is what I have been doing every since. At present I am working on the series “Mad Men”.
In 2008, I went back to school at the American Film Institute and directed my first short film. Since then I am still choreographing for film and television but began moving towards directing and my latest film “Abuelo” has done very well and has been selected for several film festivals around the country.
My latest venture is producing, directing and editing a documentary film on the choreographer Jack Cole. So my roots are always back to dance!
Dance is what I know and CalArts is the foundation of all that.
Being at CalArts and being able to take classes in film, music, and visual art gave you a strong foundation to make the move from a career in dancing to a career in film.
Yes, having had the opportunity to take classes in these other métiers gave me not only a foundation but a way to communicate with film makers, visual artist, etc. which has helped me in my career as a dancer and now as a producer and director.
CalArts gave me the tools necessary to branch out into different areas of the arts and use that knowledge to bridge career paths and at the same time keep me directed towards my life long goal of being a dancer and involving dance in projects.
As I mentioned earlier, if you move outside of your field you most likely will drift from your profession. So my advice to any young artist is to find a way to stay engaged with your art practice and let it be the guiding force in your life and your career.
You have recently returned to campus to attend an alumni reunion. Did you see a difference in the students, choreographic work, etc since you were a student?
Yes, the facilities have expanded and there are more students on campus. However, I got the same feeling of experimentation from the students that I was a part of when I attended. CalArts is a great place to be to work on being innovative and experimental with your art practice. As well as be around students from different art forms that can inform you. Being in a small community allows for making close bonds with fellow artist and these friendships can last and endure through your entire career. Graduates from CalArts are indeed very unique and are exploring new ways to move forward with their art making.
The energy, creativity and commitment of the faculty and students is still present and alive today.